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Regarding Miitopia's abbreviation

I don't know where this discussion should actually go, but given this page's "Naming" section contains a list of abbreviations for the games we cover, this is the best place I could think of to talk about it.

Currently, Miitopia is the only "single-word titled" game listed on this page's "Naming" section, using the first two consonants for its abbreviation. However, Miitomo is another Mii-focused game with a single-worded title that starts with "Miito-", so the "MT" abbreviation can very well apply to that game too, potentially leading to confusion (in fact, this Miitomo file uses "MT").

Given that we differentiated Wii Play and Wii Party's abbreviations by adding the second letter of the second word, I think it's best to change Miitopia's abbreviation (I'm leaning towards "MTP") to differentiate it from Miitomo (this file uses "MTM", so I think we should use that). The Jacketed Terrapin (talk) 00:31, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Agreed, although won't make the change quite yet in case anyone has any better ideas for Miitopia (I think MTP works though). ---PinkYoshiFan 00:58, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

I like the sound of MTP, but maybe adding an "O"(turning it into MTOP) makes it sound like Mi-TOP. That might make it sound confusing but. --Logangsta (talk) 06:08, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Personally, I think the "all consonants" approach looks better, although if Nintendo announces a game that could also be abbreviated as "MTP" (let's say they call it "Mii Tropical Paradise"), then maybe we could add a vowel or two. The Jacketed Terrapin (talk) 15:22, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Regarding the "Sourcing" section of this page

Sorry for making another talk page post so soon after my last one, but I feel I need to address this because lately I've been seeing some users questioning a few of the rules on here (specifically, the ones on the "Sourcing" section).

First rule I wanna bring up is on the fourth bullet point, which states that screenshots from YouTube videos are not allowed to be used on this wiki. However, TheMasonfrom3R and Ninchat pointed out that YouTube screenshots are the only feasible way to obtain images from certain discontinued or unreleased software (although in the case of Miiverse, the Wayback Machine already has archived several posts/communities, so there's probably a better example). Sure, PinkYoshiFan stated here that using permission from the original uploader is fine, but nowhere on this page does it ever state that.

Second, I wanna bring up the second bullet point, which recommends not to emulate games the reader doesn't own. Problem is, there are some games that are either too expensive or outright impossible to own legally nowadays (this especially applies to WiiWare and 3DS/Wii U eShop games, as their respective stores shut down and the majority of which have not seen official rereleases since), meaning emulation is the only feasible way to own these games. Additionally, the fourth bullet point states that emulation is a valid method to obtain screenshots, anyway (while I assume it meant emulated games the reader already owns, it should've clarified that to begin with, otherwise bullet point 2 and bullet point 4 come off as contradicting each other).

With the info I have provided above, I am concerned if these rulesets might be too restrictive or there just aren't enough clarifications to make them cohesive enough. The Jacketed Terrapin (talk) 08:18, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm no expert on the rules of the wiki, but HOW EXACTLY are we going to prove that, say I take a screenshot with an emulator, that I didn't install any extra mods? Just thought that I would bring that up too. --Logangsta (talk) 09:02, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

There's no real way to determine if somebody modded their game besides honor system unless somebody finds/takes a contradicting screenshot, but realistically that goes for most of the in-game stuff covered on the wiki and not just images. As for the original questions:

With YouTube screenshots, I believe the main concern is that screenshots of YouTube's video player can lose quality, but downloading the video and extracting frames from the raw file alleviates that issue. The asking permission to use them thing isn't something that's actually been discussed or made official and was just me assuming based on how other wikis work, I should have been more clear on that.

With emulation, I personally don't think that the thing about legality needs to be explicitly said since we're not law enforcement, and as far as I know getting and emulating ROMs of abandonware isn't considered any different legally than with games that are still in circulation. Although like with the modding thing mentioned in the first paragraph, we have no way of telling if someone actually dumped their own copy or not. ---PinkYoshiFan 00:44, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

MIME/html error issues

When I go to upload a file, I’ve been having issues filling in the description and copyright section of the page. Am I supposed to use brackets, or links to copyright statements? --Logangsta (talk) 00:19, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

For description, just describe what's in the file in a sentence or two and use the standard bracket link syntax. For copyright, that's filled in mostly automatically and the parameter is for the license if the file is Creative Commons or public domain, that goes unused in 99% of cases and defaults to fair use (which basically everything official from Nintendo or other companies is). As for the error mentioned in the title, make sure that it's a raw png, jpg, svg, or gif file and not the webpage itself or a webp file. ---PinkYoshiFan 00:44, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Just to clalify, I can use screenshots from the video, as long as in the source section I put a link to Nily's Youtube video? --Logangsta (talk) 06:29, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Actually, I don't want to make it seem like I'm lazy or anything, but could someone else upload the images? It's just that you guys know a lot more about this than me, so it would make sense for the images to be formatted correctly the first time. In the mean time, I could practice this by uploading images for my own page, as I won't make as many mistakes. Sorry if I'm not explaining this well enough. --Logangsta (talk) 06:40, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Forget that last comment. I'll do what I can to upload them, feel free to change the images if you want to, as I'll be using cropped video screenshots. I apologize for being annoying over all this image stuff. --Logangsta (talk) 06:03, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

Is this about Puzzle Swap? I could upload all the images in like 3 hours from now because of NetPass. If the images aren't up by then I'll be fine with doing it. -TheMasonfrom3R 8:04 AM EST, June 2 2024

Sure, if it means you can get high quality images. I'll try to do the Outfits, from Nily's videos in a couple of days. If I run into any more issues, I'll list them here. --Logangsta (talk) 00:24, 3 June 2024 (UTC)