Talk:Puzzle Swap

Images for individual puzzles

I've noticed how we need to get images for each of the puzzles, and I've found some high quality ones on Fandom. I am very new to wiki editing, and I'm just wondering what are the rules as to using images from other websites (where you can or can't get them from). Does anyone have any answers for me? --Logangsta (talk) 07:55, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

I recommend you read Help:Files if you want a good grasp on how the image policy for this wiki works, but to answer what you specifically asked for: Going off of the linked page's "Sourcing" section, screenshots are only allowed if the uploader was the one who captured it or they are official screenshots from Nintendo; the fifth bullet point even outright emphasizes not to take screenshots from other wikis.

I don't know where you got the Puzzle Swap images from specifically, but assuming it's Nintendo Wiki on Fandom, almost all of them appear to be sprite rips of the preview images because A) the preview images aren't always accurate to what is seen in the animated puzzle (e.g. there is no point in the animated Kirby: Triple Deluxe puzzle that resembles the preview image); and B) if they were screenshots of the preview images, they would've had a square grid pattern if you looked closely, which the Fandom images lack.

Since the "no third-party sources" rule only applies to screenshots, I believe uploading some sprite rips from Fandom should be fine (though something like the Spriters Resource would be a more ideal source if an available option). The Jacketed Terrapin (talk) 13:58, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

"although they still would have been deleted on the grounds of no using Fandom images" - PinkYoshiFan on Discord. The best thing to do would to get in-game screenshots. I'm pretty sure there's a few videos out there with them, but, I'll upload the Puzzles I've completed tonight TheMasonfrom3R 3:18PM EST, May 18 2024

To clarify, the thing with Fandom (and other wikis in general) primarily applies to screenshots. If we know that the sprites were ripped by whoever uploaded them to Fandom then that would be fine, although Fandom wikis are a bit infamous for never sourcing media and we can't assume it was a selfrip unless it says so somewhere. ---PinkYoshiFan 19:57, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Alright, so you're saying that I can upload the sprite rips from the Fandom page for the main page, BUT I can't take a screenshot of them from my device and use them? Also, thank you guys for writing back to me :) --Logangsta (talk) 00:39, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

You can upload the images as long as you know where the original Fandom image comes from, but yeah - TheMasonfrom3R 8:55 EST, May 18 2024

And if the Fandom image came from a non-Fandom site, use that site as the source directly. ---PinkYoshiFan 01:00, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll do what I can to upload and place the images, but I'll definitely need someone to put them in the correct spots. --Logangsta (talk) 01:36, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Lol that's what we're all here for :P TheMasonfrom3R 9:37 EST, May 18 2024

Um, I just realized the complexity of tables, so all I'll be able to do is upload. Since there's an All Uploads section, I'll need someone to put the images on the main page from there. Edit #1: Trying to download the images saves them as a webp file, so instead (temporarily) I'm going to use images from other websites. If anyone can figure out a way to use the Fandom ones, feel free to change my uploads. Edit #2: I have a lot to learn. I haven't been able to get pass the "text/html" error when uploading, so I haven't been able to upload anything. Seeing as you guys know a lot more about how all of these menus work, I'll just leave a link here to the website I found. I hope it helps. Thank you for your time. --Logangsta (talk) 01:42, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

I'm not too tech savvy enough to help with most of the stuff you brought up, but I will say that I would oppose uploading the images from the website you linked. Not only do they have a blatant watermark present, but almost all of them were clearly recorded with an external device, which we don't allow on the wiki. The Jacketed Terrapin (talk) 07:14, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

I just had a new idea; I noticed how some images are screenshots from Youtube Videos (example). Could we find a video of all the puzzles, screenshot each one, and upload them as images? Right now I'm not to good at uploading, but maybe someone else could? --Logangsta (talk) 07:22, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

I would like to point out the fourth bullet point on this section of "Help:Files" states to not take screenshots from YouTube videos, meaning the file you linked, as well as all the StreetPass images Kitapio T. uploaded, technically violated the image policy; and while PinkYoshiFan did state here that YouTube screenshots are fine if the original uploader gave permission, there is nothing on the files's summaries or revision histories that suggest they got permission from the uploader. The Jacketed Terrapin (talk) 08:15, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

That's interesting. I'm kinda out of ideas as to where we can get the images now. Where would you look for them, out of curiousity? --Logangsta (talk) 08:29, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Since there don't appear to be any official screenshots of the completed Puzzle Swap puzzles, the only options left are for someone to upload screenshots they took themselves or wait for The Spriters Resource to upload rips of the preview images. I deeply apologize for the inconvenience, but that's just how the image policy works. The Jacketed Terrapin (talk) 08:49, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

I think I know a Youtuber by the name of Nily896, who has a whole video on the puzzle swap puzzles. Since you said that you need to get permison from the uploader to take screenshots, maybe one of us could message him and see if he'll let us. It would come in handy for filling in other articles too. --Logangsta (talk) 08:59, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Can't Youtube screenshot be allowed in this case ? I'm confused and I was almost sure that they were allowed in case no other sources were available, and many files from unreleased softwares are only available nowadays via amateur videos (i'm specifically thinking about images from Wii Sports: Airplane, and the unreleased Famicom/DS Mii Maker) --Ninchat (talk) 10:35, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

I was even thinking that if we can't get permission from this youtuber, that we may need to find someone with these puzzles and a capture card. --Logangsta (talk) 10:43, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

I've actually been using Nilly896 as a source for my lists, as they've been uploading videos more recently than any other people. I will try to get in contact with them on their Discord server, and ask about images from their video. --Kitapio: the Doctor is in! 15:14, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

I forgot to add this, but Nilly said it was fine as long as credit was given, so you could use their video. --Kitapio: the Doctor is in! 15:58, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

That will sort out most of the puzzles! I'll let you all know if I find any images of the region-specific puzzles. --Logangsta (talk) 05:57, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

@Kitapio T. About what Nilly said, did this permission include all of his videos or only the Puzzle Swap one? I'm just double-checking since I did a bunch of image uploads recently for the Outfit (StreetPass Mii Plaza) article, and I don't want it to seem like plagiarism. --Logangsta (talk) 06:14, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Blank puzzle - purple piece patterns needed!

Remember how someone puzzles require purple pieces (obtained via Spotpass)? If anyone has images, or know how many of them are in certain puzzles, please let me know here. I can't find out how many there are in the Ocarina of Time 3D one. --Logangsta (talk) 09:25, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

If I'm not mistaken, there is only 3 type of puzzles, the 5X3 ones without purple pieces, the 6X4 ones who have a square of 4 pieces forming a square in the middle and the 8X6 ones with the middle line having 4 purple pieces in the center and 2 above and below it, forming something like a Rhombus. --Ninchat (talk) 15:36, 21 May 2024 (UTC)